Arizona Business Laws

First Meeting With Attorney

I’m Neal Bookspan of Jaburg Wilk. I’m an attorney who helps businesses and business owners manage their legal risks. The first meeting between a new client and an attorney is very important. To prepare for that meeting, it’s always good if the potential client not only spends the time to outline their issues and know the facts and issues that they’re coming to the attorney about. But then to not only prepare the documentation or bring the documentation, but to actually review their documentation while they’re outlining it. Because the more that they remember and the more that they know, the more successful that first meeting can be in figuring out whether they have a situation that the attorney can help them out or not.

By: Neal Bookspan

Hi, I’m Kraig Marton and I do employment law here in the firm.

Why do you call employment law alphabet soup?

Employers have to know so much when they’re engaged in the field of employment law. And there’s so many acronyms that are used that just learning them becomes difficult. There’s things like FMLA. There is USERA. There is COBRA. There’s HIPAA. One can go on. Now there’s the  ACA, some call it Obamacare just keeping track of the initials for the laws is hard much less keeping track of the actual laws that govern the employment relationship.

Which types of employers are more susceptible to get sued?

What I find is that an employer with (50) to (100) employees – who’s grown fast because it was a family run business – are those who are most likely to get sued. And the reason for that is, they grew fast and the controller or the sister is handling the HR functions instead of a HR professional. And so what happens is that if you’re not familiar with all of the laws that govern employment law, you’re going to make a misstep. You know the cost of a lawsuit these days is tens, probably hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend when an employer gets sued. And it’s a no-win proposition for the employer because if the employer loses, they not only have to pay the other sides attorney’s fees, they also have to pay whatever damages the jury assesses. On the other hand, if the employer wins, almost for sure, they don’t get back their attorney’s fees nor do they get back any real benefit other than vindication. And so what occurs is the cost of a lawsuit can be tremendous in administrative cost, in financial cost, and just in morale. And so if an employer pays attention to employment law in advance, and does things right, and follows the law, and treats employees fairly, they’re not going to get sued. Proactive is the way to go.

By: Kraig Marton

If I Won my Case, Should I Worry About an Appeal?

Hi. I’m Kathi Sandweiss at Jaburg & Wilk. I’m an appellate lawyer here. Congratulations on winning, first of all. But if your opponent appeals, you are going to have to defend the judgement. By defending the judgement, what we’re talking about is we need to tell the Court of Appeals that your trial judge didn’t make any reversible errors. The process as the appellee is simpler. It basically involves only one brief as opposed to the two briefs that the appellant would have to file, so there would be an answering brief that’s based completely on the record that was presented to the trial court. And at that point, we’re telling the Court of Appeals that, based upon the evidence presented, the fact finder, either the jury or the trial judge, did not make any errors, and that based upon the legal issues presented, the trial judge made no legal errors, and that’s very important because we’re looking at what’s the standard of review on appeal. If it’s a legal error that the appellant is urging, then it will be reviewed de novo. If there’s a factual error alleged, then the court of appeals will defer to the fact finder, which would be either the trial judge if it was a bench trial or a summary judgement motion, or it would be the jury. In that case, you’ve got a much better chance of it being affirmed on appeal.

If My Lawyer Made a Mistake, Can I Challenge the Appeal Outcome?

There’s a big difference between lawyer mistake and trial court mistake, and a big difference between lawyer malpractice and then appeal. Clients are always coming to me and saying, “I told my lawyer he should look for these financial records, and he never did, and he never presented them.” And clients will say, “I told my lawyer we had a fraud case, but he never raised that issue in the trial court, so can we appeal this?” And what I am telling you is, that’s not an appeal unfortunately. An appeal is based solely on the record that was presented to the trial court. If we don’t have that evidence in the record, we’re not going to be able to present it to the Court of Appeals. What the appellate court say is that they want the trial court to correct its own errors first. Therefore, if an error hasn’t been presented to the trial court, it’s not going to be presented to the Court of Appeals. The Court of Appeals can’t reverse it. What we’re looking for is an error by the judge. I know it sounds kind of funny, we’re looking for judge-made errors, but that’s what an appeal is. We’re looking at a three-judge panel, a higher court reviewing what one judge did in the lower court.

By: Kathi Sandweiss